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Do*******:

This guy helped me more in a 13:00 video than on the countless VA sessions I have had since retiring from the Marines in 2015

ob**********:

Surprised by the interesting people in the audience.
You've got Maxwell Sheffield from The Nanny at 3:40 and someone from Medieval Europe at 4:46.

Wa****:

5:42 he describes what its like to crawl into a burning building. A very close friend and I got caught in a second floor of a burning building and had to bail. When we got out, the only thing I said was Wow that was close. Years later during an orientation of new recruits I was telling the story and out of no where I broke down and cried like a baby.

Ke**************:

09:36 This guy gets it. He knows what we miss...

Et*********:

9:40...brotherhood...I honestly didn’t think you would say brotherhood was the reason why... I always thought brotherhood was something we came up with our selves... it’s absolutely true it is brotherhood

Se****:

4:25 ...I bet his name was Kilgore...

 

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Top Comments : [TED] Sebastian Junger: Why veterans miss war

Ti**********:

He gets close but he didn't quite nail it. He missed what I call the "Buzz Aldrin effect". Buzz Aldrin walked on the moon at a fairly young age. I believe he was in his early thirties at the time. When Buzz Aldrin got back from the moon he realized that his life had hit it's apex. How do you top walking on the moon? You can't. The rest of your life will never match, or surpass the power, exhilaration, and majesty of those few moments on the Lunar Surface.; Same Same combat. You take a young man and give him the power to take life, in the case of medics to save life. After he leaves the combat area this same young man will likely never know that kind of power again. Kings, Prime Ministers, Presidents and Dictators may conduct war, but they don't fight it. Young men do. Take an ordinary man, and put him in a situation where he may become something extraordinary. This he does, he becomes a combat soldier, and if he is lucky he survives to become a combat veteran. This extraordinary young man must now go back and become simply ordinary.

Bo**********:

My brother was in the Marines in Vietnam. He said many times that he missed the killing. When we would go hunting for deer, he always said that he would rather kill something that could fight him back.

Su******:

Two things struck me with this. First Junger really hits an important point about brotherhood, devotion, and trust. Knowing beyond a shadow of a doubt that those around you would die for you is a difficult benchmark to measure any civilian interaction. In a sense other relationships can seem hollow or false. Moreover after experiencing the brotherhood in war the domestic cut-throat back stabbing shallowness of politics, gossip, and manipulative relationships becomes intolerable. Upon returning from war, a Soldier can find they need to reassess a world they thought they knew and discover that it is broken.

The second thing to hit me with this piece was the expressions and behavior of the audience. The shock shown by some is a good thing, it could turn into a glimmer of understanding. But the pity shown by many in the audience turns my stomach. It saddens me that even after hearing such an articulate speaker as Sebastian Junger in person, some people still don't get it. They completely miss the point, because they've decided to fixate on preconceptions of war taught to them by people with an incomplete understanding of it.

Fantastic piece. The brotherhood is without a doubt a big part... So is the adrenaline and the "hunt" or the predatory satisfaction of seeking out those who would do you and your brothers harm.

Th**************:

"Brotherhood has nothing to do with how you feel about the other person." This is so true. There are people in my unit that I don't like, would never hang out with, but I would die for.

Re***************************:

It's not combat we love, it's the men we're in combat with.

Ba**********:

I read "vegetarians" and I got a bit confused

Gr**********:

I didn't know what was
wrong with me but I knew. What hope can there be when it can only be found down range. Thank you for this video.

fa********:

your never the same after, your friends and family havent a clue.i think we all have left a trail of destruction in our wake, the broken marrages etc.. but... i wouldnt change the experience for anything. i miss it everyday for the last 47 yrs

Jo*********:

I'm from a different a different era - Vietnam.  I was glad to be back and I was a short timer.  A two year enlistment with half it spent in country.  I missed being needed, I missed having a definitive and important role, I missed having trusted friends and comrades.  I didn't miss the 12 hour days humping up and down hills and jungle with hundred pound packs, weapons and ammunition.  I didn't miss the filth and disease, the fatigue, and the killing.  I went home and faced the uncertainty of unemployment and underemployment.  I had my homies I enlisted with and one guy I was in country with in my crew.  I was lucky in that.  My best friend got out of prison about the time the rest of us came home, and there is a parallel with that.  We worked it out.  It wasn't easy.

Er**********:

you can see the war in his eyes.

fa*******:

Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends. John 15/13

Th*************:

I was in Fallujah in 2004 and in 2006. Clearing houses, seeing the Mujahadeen up close and personal was far worse than anything in Afghanistan - let me tell you that - What I miss is the adrenaline, yes, it was the most intense experience I ever had or will ever have. No thrill in my life will ever come close to it again - EVERYTHING is boring. I hate my life sometimes; I wish I would have just died a hero's death, my family got my $750,000 life insurance policy, and I wouldn't lead the existence I do. There's a quote by Hemingway I will paraphrase here which sums it all up, as he himself was in WWI:
"Men who have hunted other men in War will find no joy in anything else thereafter", and he eventually blew his head off with a shotgun. I think this quote applies to all those veteran's who killed themselves. We are warriors, we have no more war to fight, and there is no place for a warrior in modern society.

to********:

our platoon Sergeant a Viet nam vet told us if your white,black,brown or red we are all green now and we all bleed red.that was 30 years ago and it still resonates with me

Aa******:

In the military and especially during war...we know where we stand. In civilian life we don't. We find it hard to find people we can trust and know has our back.

Li*********:

Just found this video by chance. May I say thank you to all of you gentlemen who have served our country, it is greatly appreciated. Some of you have spoken here regarding how you are still affected by your experiences in war/combat. I remember as a child and even into my teenage years my father's hands shaking, his signature was always a scribble. When my mom would say, ' go wake your dad up dinner is ready, I would always dread it. I dreaded it because of how he would react to being touched and suddenly awakened. If you did not stand back, tap his shoulder and move away quickly he would deck you. My mom always said it was from his time in the Marines and being in war/combat. All those years later having been in war still affected him that way. Again my heartfelt appreciation to all who have served our country. I wish you all the best......

An****************:

As a civilian, I was very moved by this. Very transparent. Helping me grasp at something I'll never fully understand.

Ro***********:

Marine Vet here. I miss my time overseas. I went to Fallujah twice. There is a lot of boredom in war. The flipside is abundance of time spent with the guys. Men together, doing a job. Men working with men doing a job who are always together is something different. Yes, brotherhood. You get bombed together, you eat together. You get shot at together, you smoke together. You are bored together, you tell stories together. This bond is critical for an effective fighting unit. Without the bond, you won't be selfless and others will die. When you return home, it's all gone. For those who served, I encourage you to put down the bottle while you're in isolation or even better, all together. Get yourself a dog. My dog changed my life. I've also been sober for a year and that too changed my life. It helped me love myself again. But a dog...A dog helps you get outside yourself; out of your own self pity. Just like you were overseas, you were outside of yourself, fighting for a greater cause. The best companion is a dog and the best part is, you can train together. :)

Co**********:

I have tremendous respect for veterans. I never enlisted myself but everything this man is talking about makes so much sense . Not just about military but society as a whole. I think this what the u.s. is missing and western culture more generally. Thank you to all who served.

ZI****:

Im missing Iraq badly. I feel insignificant now

no******:

Wow, that was a very powerful presentation.

Ke*******:

I was an infantryman (11B) in the Army and did two tours post 9/11. He hit the nail on the head with "brotherhood" during his speech. Other things change. I used to like hunting before war, but I can't these days.

As**************:

Nailed it. You nailed it...thank you for sharing. It is important...

St****:

Wow, you've nailed it. As a, Combat Medic (medically retired), I remember I was almost floating just about 3 feet over my own head supervising myself and calling out threats and injuries along with the proper response/treatment in what felt like slow motion. taking casualties (solo) during fire-fights I can attest to the accuracy in the statements by Mr Junger.

Ma***********:

One thing about war is your brothers, it doesn't matter where he came from or the color of his skin. He is your brother and I'd die for every single one of those magnificent bastards.

We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he he who sheds his blood with me Shall be my brother.

Pa******:

What civilians don't understand is that when you experience being part of something that changes history (which is exactly what war does) and you go back to doing the "normal" routine in the civilian world, your eyes are open to seeing that world and the people in it in a different light. It is not just the combat that changes you and there is a bit too much emphasis being placed on it. Not everyone has gotten into a massive firefight at an outpost, but many have had to endure indirect fire, IEDs, snipers, etc. on a periodic basis, but it didn't matter. Even if someone didn't get shot or see a friend die, the experience will change you, especially if you did operations outside of the wire. When you are part of the 1% that serves and then maybe .50% that went to a combat deployment, you are going to miss that life where everything was narrowed down to accomplishing the mission and watching your fellow troop's back. Back home is a bunch of bills, work to pay those bills with very little personal satisfaction, relationships to manage, over saturation by the media, and being surrounded with people who only know their own world and constantly complain about it. Yeah, deploying will always be yearned for by many.

Ro*****:

I was in afghanistan for 4 years. I miss it every day. I hate what I've done. The killing the pain the loss of my brothers. But if i got the call i would go without a thought. I'm good at death and would do it again

Ri********:

I always feel like nothing is permanent, Not my job, wife, house or kids. It's lonely sometimes.

To***:

I thought I was crazy when I stared missing combat, but I know now that it is a normal reaction to the brotherhood I miss.

Av************:

As a combat veteran of both Iraq and Afghanistan I will try to explain it as best I can to those who have not been in this rather unique situation. One part is the adrenaline rush. And there is no rush like it. I don't care if you drive a motorcycle at 120 mph or jump out of a plane. It does not even come close to combat. And adrenaline can be addictive.
The other part is what Sebastian focused on. And this does not begin in combat. It begins day one when you get to your unit. The hardships and struggles you go through in training bring you together like nothing else (I was 0311 i.e. rifleman in the Marines). And it's not that we all got along. Some of us hated certain individuals within our own platoons or even fire teams but, we knew that we had to trust the individual to the left and right of us and they had to do the same. And when that trust is tested in combat it just brings you closer together in this brotherhood.
And when we get back and eventually out of service you enter the civilian world. And unlike in the military where it is ALL about the unit, to the point where you will go without sleep or food for days on end to accomplish the task at hand, the civilian world is all about the individual. So we view many, not all but, many civilians as lazy, undisciplined, sloppy, and self centered. And is the reason why were more comfortable around other veterans compared to the general civilian population.

Oh and a side note to those who think were mindless, dumb killers. I can put you up against any of my Marines I served with and 9 times out of 10 they will be more intelligent, adaptable, physically and mentally stronger then you. There is a reason why many companies seek veterans and why a larger percentage excel over their classmates in college.  

Bi*******:

It's very hard to explain this to civilians and even family members about this without getting negatively judged or criticized

Ti**********:

As a veteran I miss WAR , not the death not the destruction not the loss of inicence
But the loss of being part of something greater then my self the commitment to ones who you served with to the nation that you believe in ...

Ch**************:

I miss it constantly. I've lost a marriage and some friends to my odd longings. When you're there, you imagine how grand it would be to go home, but when you get back home, you realize that life carried on without you.... and that you were never really needed there. In the desert, we were needed. People relied on us. I understand why troops get depressed when they return home... because we don't need people's pity. We need a purpose. 
Outside of the consumerist matrix of America, we found a purpose, even if it's not what we initially wanted for ourselves. Coming back to the land of excessive convenience and incessant cynicism, we found ourselves stripped of the roles we'd spent time devoting our sweat to. They give us a pat on the back, some time off & a free annual meal at Applebee's.... but where's the purpose? Consuming just to consume, with the only struggle being, "how can I consume more?" 
America.... the land of the free, and the home of the perpetually depressed souls, who always see the green grass while standing on their dead lawns. The desert was red, but the desert was green.

JW*:

There was a planet wide study done on PTSD with different armies. The study honed in on warring armies. The three that stuck out to me were South Korea, Israel, and the US.

South Korea and Israel have practically no PTSD. The two main reasons are:

1. Men and women are required to serve in Israel
2. Men are required in South Korea.

This unites a nation. People have a shared narrative with each other. Questions like, "So, where were you stationed?" bond men together.

In Israel, it's common for the family to display the different helmets of the generations on a fireplace mantle or some public space in the house.

Our soldiers come back to a lonely, Amazon consumer based society that doesn't care. Less than 1% of us served our country. That's why when we meet up we start asking questions about each other. We're bonding.

I now work in international oil. And I hire as many vets as I can; especially fresh ones out of the sandbox. They need another platoon Sargeant (me) or they'll likely pour themselves into a bottle.....or worse.

Ch***********:

I’m a veteran. I have this strange coping mechanism when I’m stressed out or feel anxious. I think of the sound of gunfire and I calm down. I think it comes from the anxiety of the quite down time, waiting to be attacked. When the gunfire would finally begin, I would become calm. Because the thing I was scared of finally came, and I was in it. The anxious waiting was over. So now to this day, when my anxiety kicks in, I automatically think about gunfire, and I can calm down and cope with whatever it is I’m dealing with. The mind is a strange thing.

 

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